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Sith Lord

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Date: February 25th
More proof that school administrators are idiots--and the cops aren't looking too good here, either.
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Student suspended, criminally charged for fishing knife left in father’s car

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Student suspended, criminally charged for fishing knife left in father’s car

Student suspended, criminally charged for fishing knife left in father’s car

A senior at Northeast High School in Clarksville, Tenn. has been suspended for 10 days and faces a multitude of additional punishments including criminal charges because school officials found a knife belonging to his father inside his father’s car.

The student is David Duren-Sanner, reports local CBS affiliate WTVF.

The student’s father is a commercial fisherman who works on the West Coast. The father left — wait for it — a fishing knife in the car.

Duren-Sanner has sworn he knew nothing about it.

The boy’s father noted that the knife could have easily been wedged between two seats.

The incident occurred on Thursday.

“They called on the intercom that we had a random lockdown search,” Duren-Sanner told WTVF.

The car he drove to school was randomly chosen for a search.

“I was, like, ‘Sure, no problem.’ I didn’t have anything to hide,” he explained. “And he said, ‘Do you have anything that we might need to know about?’”

Duren-Sanner mentioned that his dad chews tobacco, so there would likely be snuff in the car.

The blade on the knife is longer than three inches. Consequently, school officials consider the knife a dangerous weapon.

Duren-Sanner tried to explain that the knife belonged to his father, the owner of the car, but to no avail.

School officials immediately suspended the senior for 10 days.

He will not be allowed to return to school when that 10-day period is up. Instead, Duren-Sanner must attend an alternative school full of alternative school students for 90 days after the suspension ends.

On top of all this punishment, he faces weapons charges thanks to the sheriff’s department, which concluded that the knife was effectively in the boy’s possession.

Peggy Duren, Duren-Sanner’s grandmother, said she tried to tell school officials that her grandson did not own the fishing knife. However, the tough vice principal was having none of it.

“Guilty until proven innocent,” Duren lamented. “It’s part of this zero tolerance policy.”

“He doesn’t deserve that,” Duren-Sanner’s grandmother added.

“It makes me sad. It breaks my heart that this is happening to kids,” she told the CBS station.

She also noted that her grandson has maintained a 3.0 grade point average. He is part of the ROTC program. He hopes to obtain scholarship help to attend college, but that’s in serious jeopardy now.

Duren-Sanner will appeal the draconian sentence from school officials on Wednesday. If he loses, he won’t get to go to prom or walk across in his graduation. He may not be able to graduate at all.

An active online petition at Change.org urges school officials to drop the charges against the student and end his suspension.



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Sith Lord

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What "criminal charges"?

Are boys not allowed to go fishing, anymore?

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This is stupid.

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Jedi

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I hope they sue their azzes off and win. This is ridiculous.

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That is insane! This is getting out of hand.

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Why are they even doing random car searches?

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RenTin dreamer wrote:

Why are they even doing random car searches?


it probably wasn't random at all.  a school safety or security officer was probably doing a routine sweep of the parking lot, saw the knife in the car, and called for the lock-down.
the student's father says that the knife could have become wedged between two seats, but the article doesn't clearly say where in the car the knife was found.  someone saw either the hilt of the knife, or the blade, and then asked the student if they could "randomly" search his car. 


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Don't EVEN get me started.

DS2 was caught with an old BB gun in his truck. The stupid thing didn't even LOOK like a gun. The security guard claimed he had witnessed "suspicious" activity. DS was going to his truck on lunch break to get his GF's cell.

Why was the gun in there? He had been helping a friend move & forgot it was there.

DH was even more outraged than I was, but I knew that we had to shut up and kiss azz...

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Wow. I guess I never really thought about stuff like that. My son is only in Middle school. I have warned him about being careful with jackets and backpacks. We had a close call last year when he used his current school backpack to go to Grandma's and forgot to take out some throwing stars and knives out of a side pocket before going to back to school on Monday. I found them the next day while looking for his music practice sheet. I dug out an old duffle bag to use for stayovers in the future.

I guess I never thought about vehicles. Both my husband and I keep various knives in our vehicles for camping and emergencies. I never thought about random car searches.

 



-- Edited by RenTin dreamer on Tuesday 25th of February 2014 11:06:00 AM

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I would tell my kid, if I had one that if this happens to them to refuse entry to the car unless they can have a parent and attorney present . Seriously. This pizzes me off!

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Mary Z wrote:

I would tell my kid, if I had one that if this happens to them to refuse entry to the car unless they can have a parent and attorney present . Seriously. This pizzes me off!


 I think that is a good idea. Tell your kid they have to ask their parents for permission before a random car search- since in most cases- it is the parent's car anyway.



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This is stupid and why I hate "zero tolerance."

There was a similar incident at a high school I used to work at where a senior had an emergency pack in his car. It included things like a flashlight, flares, medical supplies, and a small pocket knife (like a Swiss Army knife). Some other student reported this teen because he saw the emergency pack and thought it might be dangerous. So, the principal had to have the car searched. The teen punished under "Zero tolerance" rules and charged with a crime. There was A LOT of local outcry. Even the Principal thought the punishment was absurd (made public statements to that effect) but her hands were tied and she was overruled by the then Superintendent.

The kid was an honors student (I know, that doesn't always mean anything) at the top of his class, an Eagle Scout, and was in danger of losing a scholarship to college because zero tolerance rules felt that his swiss army knife was just as dangerous as a loaded gun on campus.

Totally assinine.



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NotAnyOtherWay wrote:
Mary Z wrote:

I would tell my kid, if I had one that if this happens to them to refuse entry to the car unless they can have a parent and attorney present . Seriously. This pizzes me off!


 I think that is a good idea. Tell your kid they have to ask their parents for permission before a random car search- since in most cases- it is the parent's car anyway.


 I don't know. Students have very few rights, it seems.

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Well the car is the property of the parents in most cases and They do not have to allow a search without a warrant right? And they have a right to be present if they do allow I imagine.
Any law enforcement on here? Wonder what would happen if a teen refused until parents/cops/lawyers were present?

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flan327 wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:
Mary Z wrote:

I would tell my kid, if I had one that if this happens to them to refuse entry to the car unless they can have a parent and attorney present . Seriously. This pizzes me off!


 I think that is a good idea. Tell your kid they have to ask their parents for permission before a random car search- since in most cases- it is the parent's car anyway.


 I don't know. Students have very few rights, it seems.

flan


 That is true, but I think denying a student the right to call his parents before searching the car would look very bad for the school, especially if it turned out anything like this case. 



-- Edited by NotAnyOtherWay on Tuesday 25th of February 2014 12:53:20 PM

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Jedi

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I was not allowed to leave campus to go to work without having my car searched. They were having a random search and claimed that the dog alerted on my car.
After they didn't find a thing they claimed that the dog probably smelled my prescription (acne cream) that I had transported in the car a week prior.
Right. Or the handler told the dog to alert so they could search my car for no good reason.
At least they wrote an excuse note for my boss.

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From what I understand, the school can (and has the right to) search anything on school property. This probably varies from state to state...

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ohfour wrote:

From what I understand, the school can (and has the right to) search anything on school property. This probably varies from state to state...


 That may be true but I don't think they can't prevent you from having your own parent there first. They can't put their hands on the kid to try and make them unlock the door either.

Maybe if more kids were told to refuse and get representation  then they would back off from ridiculous carp like this. Make it more inconvenient for them to harrass the kids like this.   Just my ideas....what do I know? lol

 



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At the very least you could tell your kid to call you (most kids have cells phones, or access to them) if the school makes them open the car to search it. THen you would know and have the option of heading to the school.

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Things have certainly changed.

When I was in high school a lot of the guys would come from the woods to school and all their hunting equipment was in the truck.

Riffles in the back window of the truck.

And honestly I don't think these "random searches" should be legal. Lockers inside the school? Yeah. Search them. But the cars in the parking lot? No.

This is ridiculous.



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Lilyofcourse wrote:

Things have certainly changed.

When I was in high school a lot of the guys would come from the woods to school and all their hunting equipment was in the truck.

Riffles in the back window of the truck.

And honestly I don't think these "random searches" should be legal. Lockers inside the school? Yeah. Search them. But the cars in the parking lot? No.

This is ridiculous.


 Last week, in metro area, the shooting they stopped, the kid had extra guns hidden in the woods near the school.

 

If parents do not like it, home school. The reality is we have some crazy students who will shoot up and try to kill people because our mental health system cannot act until it's too late.

 

Everyone here complaining would be saying how tragic it was if there was an act of violence, but you submit to the school rules if you go there. The school has to use zero tolerance for liability reasons.

 

back in the day, everyone carried a gun who could afford one. Today, we are unarmed and unable to defend ourselves.



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No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.

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huskerbb wrote:

No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.


 Again, it's for liability reasons and sorry, you do not get to make up these rules. The school district does. Home school, private school or you have to submit to their rules.



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YellowDaisy6 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.


 Again, it's for liability reasons and sorry, you do not get to make up these rules. The school district does. Home school, private school or you have to submit to their rules.


 Duh.  But as a patron of the school district I am in, I absolutely have the right to have input on that--as does EVERYONE ELSE in the district they live in.  If enough people with the sense god gave a gnat would rise up and do something--the rules could be changed in a lot of places. 

To simply say "that's the way it is"--is abdicating your role in a democracy. 



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huskerbb wrote:
YellowDaisy6 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.


 Again, it's for liability reasons and sorry, you do not get to make up these rules. The school district does. Home school, private school or you have to submit to their rules.


 Duh.  But as a patron of the school district I am in, I absolutely have the right to have input on that--as does EVERYONE ELSE in the district they live in.  If enough people with the sense god gave a gnat would rise up and do something--the rules could be changed in a lot of places. 

To simply say "that's the way it is"--is abdicating your role in a democracy. 


 Preach it!



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Sith Lord

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It is ridiculous.

So this was found in a random search in a car.

YD talks about a kid who had a stash of campus in the woods.

How far are we supposed to let the school have "rights" to search? Should it stop in your house? Cause there are students being punished by the schools for things they are doing off campus at malls and such.

I don't want the school taking over my job as parent.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
YellowDaisy6 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.


 Again, it's for liability reasons and sorry, you do not get to make up these rules. The school district does. Home school, private school or you have to submit to their rules.


 Duh.  But as a patron of the school district I am in, I absolutely have the right to have input on that--as does EVERYONE ELSE in the district they live in.  If enough people with the sense god gave a gnat would rise up and do something--the rules could be changed in a lot of places. 

To simply say "that's the way it is"--is abdicating your role in a democracy. 


 Preach it!


 Look at me! I am agreeing 100% with husker and LL.

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I knew there would be a reason for that cold front to be coming through tonight.  biggrin



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Lawyerlady wrote:

I knew there would be a reason for that cold front to be coming through tonight.  biggrin


 Oh, puh...lease.

I've agreed with you before.

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Jedi

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yeah, but there seems to be a bit of a recurring pattern of late.

Or I could be wrong.

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Cheerios4606 wrote:

yeah, but there seems to be a bit of a recurring pattern of late.

Or I could be wrong.


 No, no, NO...I'll never be converted...

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huskerbb wrote:
YellowDaisy6 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:

No. The school does NOT have to use "zero tolerance". They could use some common sense if they chose to. They could look at each case and set of circumstances individually.


 Again, it's for liability reasons and sorry, you do not get to make up these rules. The school district does. Home school, private school or you have to submit to their rules.


 Duh.  But as a patron of the school district I am in, I absolutely have the right to have input on that--as does EVERYONE ELSE in the district they live in.  If enough people with the sense god gave a gnat would rise up and do something--the rules could be changed in a lot of places. 

To simply say "that's the way it is"--is abdicating your role in a democracy. 


 I agree with Husker. 



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