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Aardvark

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A man caught in the act of abusing 4-year-old, was beaten to death by her father. (Source: KPRC/NBC) A man caught in the act of abusing 4-year-old, was beaten to death by her father. (Source: KPRC/NBC)

SHINER, TX (KPRC/NBC) - Authorities say a man caught in the act of molesting a 4-year-old girl was beaten to death by the girl's father on the family's rural Texas ranch.

Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon said the 23-year-old father, whose name has not been released, is unlikely to be arrested for Saturday's killing and that no evidence so far has led investigators to doubt his story.

"There doesn't appear to be any reason other than what he told us," Harmon said.

Harmon said the victim was a 47-year-old man from Gonzales with no apparent prior criminal history.

His name continued to be withheld on Monday because authorities still hadn't tracked down any of his family.

The 47-year-old was an "acquaintance" of the father who had come to help care for some horses, Harmon said.

He did not know how long the two men may have known each other.

The girl was taken to a hospital to be examined and has since been released, Harmon said.

The father called deputies late Saturday afternoon and told them he attacked a man caught trying to sexually assault his daughter, Harmon said.

The incident happened near a barn where some horses were being kept.

The adults were shoeing a horse and the girl and her brother had been sent to feed chickens.

The children's grandfather said the boy later came back and said his sister had been taken away by a man.

Her father then went out to look for her, the grandfather said.

The father found both his daughter and the 47-year-old man partially naked, investigators said.

"In the course of trying to get her away from him, and protect her, he struck the subject several times in the head and the subject died," Harmon said.

Harmon said a grand jury will decide what, if any, charges the father will face.

The ranch is about 130 miles west of Houston.

Killings are rare in rural Lavaca County.

Harmon said his office has only investigated six in his eight years as sheriff.

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Sounds like he got what he deserved........the sick freak.furious



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Hooray. Give him a medal.

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Sounds like a great outcome to me!

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And justice is served for a change!

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Good job dad!

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Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon said the 23-year-old father, whose name has not been released, is unlikely to be arrested for Saturday's killing and that no evidence so far has led investigators to doubt his story.


 I love this.  It's obvious they didn't think he did anything wrong, either.  I'd likely have done something very similar if it was my child.

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If I caught someone in the act of hurting my child...I would kill them too.

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...said his sister had been taken away by a man

 

 I'm glad, because the perv got what he deserved.



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OK.

#1. Did the doctor visit show that the girl had been assaulted? Has the girl confirmed she's been assaulted?
#2. We have Dad's word of mouth...and nobody elses.
#3. Can he prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that the man (who had NO prior criminal history) had assaulted/was assaulting his daughter?

I find it odd that a 47 year old man is suddenly molesting little girls, with no prior history. Something just doesn't sound right to me, so until these questions can be answered, I reserve all judgment.

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I saw the story on MM3 as well.

It could be that the guy has never been caught. The detail about both of them being partially naked is pretty telling.

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TarasJHO wrote:

OK.

#1. Did the doctor visit show that the girl had been assaulted? Has the girl confirmed she's been assaulted?
#2. We have Dad's word of mouth...and nobody elses.
#3. Can he prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that the man (who had NO prior criminal history) had assaulted/was assaulting his daughter?

I find it odd that a 47 year old man is suddenly molesting little girls, with no prior history. Something just doesn't sound right to me, so until these questions can be answered, I reserve all judgment.


He caught the man alone with his daughter, both partially in a state of undress.  That's enough for me.  He had no right to be alone with the girl in the first place.  Even if he wasn't molesting her - taking her away from the house or barn would be enough for me. 



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I am confused Tara...why do you think this child molester just suddenly started molesting children? I did not get that from the story.

This was the time he got caught in the act.

If the facts are as presented in the story then I have no sympathy for the molester. None. You choose to do something like that and you have to face the consequences.

I often wonder how my dad would have reacted had he caught my grandfather in the act of molesting myself and my sister. As sick as this is, I sometimes fantasize about him beating my grandfather to a bloody pulp.

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fleurminatrix wrote:

I am confused Tara...why do you think this child molester just suddenly started molesting children? I did not get that from the story.

This was the time he got caught in the act.

If the facts are as presented in the story then I have no sympathy for the molester. None. You choose to do something like that and you have to face the consequences.

I often wonder how my dad would have reacted had he caught my grandfather in the act of molesting myself and my sister. As sick as this is, I sometimes fantasize about him beating my grandfather to a bloody pulp.


 I woudln't say sick. I think it's a way you are trying to heal.

 

 

Shot, my Mom would have dug him out of the ground once buried and beaten him up again if anyone touched her child. You protect kids.

 

These people are predators and won't stop until jailed or dead. Citizen X coems to mind. A sick compulsion.

 

In this case, they guy hit the pervs head and killed him. It would be a crime of passion. I doubt anyone would convict after hearing the sibling testify and then the father describe the scene.



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I'd like to add something, but everything I'm thinking has already been added.



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He's 47, this isn't his first molestation. It's the first and last time he was caught. It may not of even been the first time he molested this child.
We may be hearing about other victims coming forward as this progresses.

My state allows the use of deadly force to stop a sexual attack. Not sure what the laws are in other states.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
TarasJHO wrote:

OK.

#1. Did the doctor visit show that the girl had been assaulted? Has the girl confirmed she's been assaulted?
#2. We have Dad's word of mouth...and nobody elses.
#3. Can he prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that the man (who had NO prior criminal history) had assaulted/was assaulting his daughter?

I find it odd that a 47 year old man is suddenly molesting little girls, with no prior history. Something just doesn't sound right to me, so until these questions can be answered, I reserve all judgment.


He caught the man alone with his daughter, both partially in a state of undress.  That's enough for me.  He had no right to be alone with the girl in the first place.  Even if he wasn't molesting her - taking her away from the house or barn would be enough for me. 


 This, and what Fleur said.

Why else would a man take a 4yo child away from the family to a barn only for both to be found partially naked???

Just because you have no prior history, doesn't mean you've never been guilty of the act. Maybe he's never been caught before.



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It looks like even more taxpayer money is going to be saved if charges are not filed. Honestly, since this occured in rural Texas, I'm not surprised that charges likely won't be filed. This is probably a community where all the locals knew each other and the police would have known the character of the girl's father.

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VictoriaLT wrote:

Even assuming this WAS this guy's first time molesting a little girl... justice was served.

I am all about the chlorination of the gene pool.


 I agree with you victoria.



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Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.

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NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head



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BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


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Disapproving Rabbit wrote:
BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


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 I second that :)



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BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


 Which head?



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I can't think of any innocent explanation that has both man and 4yo girl partially undressed with her screaming.

I also really, really feel sorry for this girl. She will remember the attack, and also the subsequent vision of her dad ripping a man apart. And if Dad hadn't done this, sheld have remembered something worse still. I sure hope things work out for her.

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Both of them.wink



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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

Both of them.wink


Yes, both heads would be on the safe side



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Lawyerlady wrote:
BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


 Which head?


 I'm not one to play games or allow him to live his life so that he is an example to others.  I would put his ass down forever.  There would be no time for him to get right with God. Let him meet his maker with his pants around his ankles and a hole in his head.



-- Edited by BlueRebel on Wednesday 13th of June 2012 02:04:18 PM

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Well ya know, even if he went to prison for what he did, he wouldn't have lasted long anyways. I hear (DBF's dad is a correctional officer) that the child molesters are kept away from general population because even the worst criminals hate pedophiles.

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Really vindictive officers will walk the douchebag to his cell asking in a loud voice, "how did it feel to rape that 5 year-old?" Prison justice is swift.

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Let him meet his maker with his pants around his ankles and a hole in his head.

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BlueRebel wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


 Which head?


I'm not one to play games or allow him to live his life so that he is an example to others.  I would put his ass down forever.  There would be no time for him to get right with God. Let him meet his maker with his pants around his ankles and a hole in his head.


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VictoriaLT wrote:

that 'no fear' factor in a woman is kinda hawt eh?




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TarasJHO wrote:

OK.

#1. Did the doctor visit show that the girl had been assaulted? Has the girl confirmed she's been assaulted?
#2. We have Dad's word of mouth...and nobody elses.
#3. Can he prove, beyond a reasonable doubt that the man (who had NO prior criminal history) had assaulted/was assaulting his daughter?

I find it odd that a 47 year old man is suddenly molesting little girls, with no prior history. Something just doesn't sound right to me, so until these questions can be answered, I reserve all judgment.


1.  How could a doctor confirm an assault BEFORE the fact?  He had to get her away from him, in his view, there's no way he was going to wait for a doctor before he did so.

2.  Absolutely untrue.  There is also the child.  There were also others there that could likely say the man and the girl had went off alone (and her brother DID).

3.  At that moment, and even at this moment--he doesn't have to.  They already pretty much said he wasn't going to be charged.

Yeah, something doesn't sound right.  Like a 47 year old being found half naked with a 4 year old girl. 

 

You don't even need the slightest bit of probable cause to call the cops on someone you think MIGHT be a potential drunk driver--but to protect a 4 year old from being molested, there must be a full investigation BEFORE anyone does anything to stop it. 

Wow.

 



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I keep wondering what exactly this 4yo girl is going to say, behind closed doors. How does this questioning even go?

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Ironically, the dad's hot head (if that's what it was) is probably a great defense. If he pulled the guy off, then they talked awhile and then he beat him to death, that would be a bigger problem.

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I'm sort of thinking that dad grabbed something and hit him with it 5 or 6 times which ended in the man's life. I don't think that he beat him to beat with his fists.

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Papa Bear wrote:

I keep wondering what exactly this 4yo girl is going to say, behind closed doors. How does this questioning even go?


 It depends on the area.  My department officers do not question minor children about sexual assault.   A trained therapist comes in and questions the child with police presence.  I don't know how other departments work.



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How did I completely miss the half naked part, and I'd read it twice???

In that case, 100% agreement with everyone else.

Also...I've been to Shiner (the beer distillery of my favorite beer (Shiner, of course) is there. :)
It's a VERY small town, and from what I've seen, everyone knows everyone else. So, thinking about it more, it's probable that the Sheriff knows the Father, knows that he wouldn't shoot for no reason, and that's also why he feels justice was served.

I would expect my Husband to do the same for my kids, and the reason I never told my Dad about being molested by the neighbor was because I was certain he would have done the same, and we couldn't afford for Dad to be in jail, as we depended on his income.



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BlueRebel wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
BlueRebel wrote:
NotAnyOtherWay wrote:

Yea I agree, even if he had NO prior criminal history- THIS was criminal and it would have been enough for me. Well, I don't know what I would have done, but if I found someone partially naked with my daughter (who is 4) who they also undressed, my actions would have been similar.


 mine would have been faster.  I would have put a bullet in his head


 Which head?


 I'm not one to play games or allow him to live his life so that he is an example to others.  I would put his ass down forever.  There would be no time for him to get right with God. Let him meet his maker with his pants around his ankles and a hole in his head.



-- Edited by BlueRebel on Wednesday 13th of June 2012 02:04:18 PM


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BlueRebel wrote:

I'm sort of thinking that dad grabbed something and hit him with it 5 or 6 times which ended in the man's life. I don't think that he beat him to beat with his fists.


 We don't know that.  People have died from getting hit with fists. 

 

Not sure it really matters, though. 



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That or maybe throwing him against the wall. If it happened to be cement, that would do it.

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They aren't going to prosecute.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/southwest/view/20120620texas_father_wont_be_charged_for_killing_girls_alleged_molester/

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I didn't think they would. They got it right, in my opinion.



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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

I didn't think they would. They got it right, in my opinion.


 Yeah, I think any parent would do what he did.



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He did beat him to death with his hands. Must have been a few hits to the throat.
I don't think that the man broke the law at all. But, the trauma of dealing with this is going to a long road for the entire family.

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legally rape is defined as:

The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object.

We don't know if this child was raped. We know that he was naked from the waist down but, we don't know what he did to the child.

The penal code in my state doesn't use the word "rape" except to define what it is. Criminal Sexual Contact is used and then defined in several different levels ranging from CSC in the first degree down to the fourth degree.


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Grand Master

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I see it often in news articles when writing about past events. But, when it's a current event it's usually sexual assault. So, I'm guessing it's because the person being charge isn't being charged with rape but, another legal term for rape.

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Victoria, I would guess that the word may sometimes not be precise enough to describe what happened. Statutory rape may legally be "assault," but from the perspective of what happened it really wasn't. That's just a guess.

On a somewhat related (to words) note, only a few years ago I learned that "heart attack" is not an official medical term. A whole class of conditions like congestive heart failure, myocardial infarction, angina, so forth are summarized by that lay term.

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Victoria, maybe its because laws are written using the overarching term "sexual assualt" which can be assualt without rape.

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Rape was defined fairly narrowly decades ago and the sexual assault terminology includes acts that don't include forcible penetration. It also takes the gender specific assignment of "rape" out of the equation.

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